New league format required?

[wiggy]

Your bang out of order there kmdgael.Just because they mite not be the most talented of footballers its still a big achievement that there still going strong and still providing football for there catchment area in darkley to this day,I am sure its not easy going out and getting hammered every week but them boys still manage to pick themselves up and go at it again week in week out because they do it for the love of the game. I hate c**ts like you,Just because your from a bigger club doesn't give you the right to look down your noses at smaller clubs and make snide remarks like that.

What would you expect from a pig but a grunt camloughlad? We are used to snide remarks from our neighboring town. As you say, it isn't easy going out and getting hammered every week but yet, we seem to field almost every game at the end of every year while some clubs in division I and division II don't field, (including Keady). You would think Keady was the rolls royce of football in Armagh by the way they would go on, but there they are, a town of over three thousand people, and they are playing in the intermediate championship and playing in Division II, says it all!!!
And to be quite frank, when All-Ireland winners like James Hughes and Oisin McConville have nothing but words of encouragement and admiration for the Phelim Brady club, comments from Keady,let it be players or fans are quite insignificant, meaningless and plain inconsequential.
As for his (KMDgael) remarks on fella's training with us who need a transfer, I think he will find that there is plenty of time to sort out transfers, and as soon as these boys are transferred, I will let him know so he can go and gossip some more with the rest of the Keady begrudgers.

[DóireNúis]

this new league format of 3 divisions is pure and utter crap. Bet the county board didnt think about the dual clubs when this was proposed? the league stretched out to october last year with 20 games being fit in, but now with 5 extra games that means most clubs will have friday and sunday games and dual clubs like ourselves will have games on tuesday with hurling aswel...and then we have to train on top of this...I knew the county board was a shambles at the moment but this is just ridiculous

[Albert]

If the clubs voted for it why are people complaining? Why do people chastise the cb when they are made up of various clubmen voted in by the clubs?

One question, are the county board really expected to base any changes around what, 4 dual clubs? I think you're just having a dig for the sake of it.

[sliothar]

Albert wrote:

If the clubs voted for it why are people complaining? Why do people chastise the cb when they are made up of various clubmen voted in by the clubs?

One question, are the county board really expected to base any changes around what, 4 dual clubs? I think you're just having a dig for the sake of it.

Agree entirely, the decision is linked to club football in the County and as such has nothing to do with hurling. I wish that when it was agreed that the Co Bd could have had the provisional divisional list ready - that's my only gripe - as they already have stated the criteria, they could have had that done and we could at least have moved on as such we are still in limbo.

Also does anyone know if the preseason tournaments will run again this year????

[GaaHead]

Thanks folks for helping me out re: leagues 2009. I was just looking them to roughly shape out the leagues as to how they may look for the year ahead based on these changes that were implemented last week.

It is a complete and utter joke that at this stage there is still no indication of were each team stands going into next year. I can only speak from an Eire Og perspective, and we expect the worse, but we will get on with it. The fact that whoever is in charge just cant break the news for all teams, let them swallow whatever hand they are dealt, get on with training and prepare for what lies ahead is ridiculous. It took me about a half hour there to shape the leagues based on the last three years. there will be more dissappointed teams than just us by the way, so there is no need to turn this into an Eire Og sympathy page.

But for god sake, get the friggin finger out and just tell us all. This has been terribly organised.

[KMDGael]

I did see in an earlier post someone's predictions on what clubs end up in each division and I think Eire Og was in the third but there is nothing to stop them making a case to the county board to play in the second. I understand and sympathize with them totally that after winning Junior last year they have earned their position in this years intermediate competition but to play in div 3 and then step up a grade to play c'ship I do see isssues and the concerns they have.

Clubs are anxious to see exactly where they are initially placed for the leagues and that they can go and prepare strong cases for changing because I don't think CB will get it right first time round.

I believe also that if a club such as Eire Og feels they are capable if playing Div 2 then there case will most definitely helped by the fact that a club may wish to be moved down to Div 3.

[Albert]

I did see in an earlier post someone's predictions on what clubs end up in each division and I think Eire Og was in the third but there is nothing to stop them making a case to the county board to play in the second. I understand and sympathize with them totally that after winning Junior last year they have earned their position in this years intermediate competition but to play in div 3 and then step up a grade to play c'ship I do see isssues and the concerns they have.

Clubs are anxious to see exactly where they are initially placed for the leagues and that they can go and prepare strong cases for changing because I don't think CB will get it right first time round.

I believe also that if a club such as Eire Og feels they are capable if playing Div 2 then there case will most definitely helped by the fact that a club may wish to be moved down to Div 3.

I would agree with much of this. Especially what you say in your last paragraph. There is a distinct contrast between Eire Og and some of the clubs who regraded to the Junior championship. Eire Og are clearly a team on the up whereas (no offence intended) those clubs who regraded are clearly going the opposite way - why else regrade? The opportunity to swap should be made available.

[Camloughlad]

No harm to yous but no club is going to move down to div3 just to please eire og.grange is in the same boat as eire og.They could well fine themselves back in div3.

[GaaHead]

Have to agree with you there Camloughlad. Who in their right mind would want to see their club choose to drop down a level, for the sake of facilitating another competing club.
Also, i would agree with you about the Grange. They have achieved fantastic back to back promotions, however, if the new leagues are based on standings over the past three seasons then the Grange average standing has been well down in the bottom 16. However this is extremely harsh, as this has been due to their dramatic rise down to all their hard work. (If the system stayed as the 4 Divisions then the Grange have went from 5th in Division 4 in 2009 to 2nd in Division 3 in 2011 -- from the 4th division to the 2nd divsion in efectively a couple of seasons)

[Albert]

Granted it is unlikely but in my opinion it is no different to clubs regrading to Junior. On one hand they don't feel they can compete at Intermediate Championship level but on the other they are saying they can compete alright in the intermediate league. Surely those club reps at the meeting last week realised the contradiction in their applying for regrading given the new proposed setup?

In any case it should be at least considered and clubs who regraded should be approached.

Only food for thought. Going by some posts on this forum in general a lot of clubs have been decimated by emmigration and maybe some clubs would voluntarily drop down.